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Discuss Bruce Schneier's Aug. 28 Op-Ed article.
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The TSA charade has cost a fortune and inconvenienced millions of innocent citizens. I have a personal sure cure for this madness, just don't fly anywhere. Lots of us must go by air to save time, but the amount of time saved on a 200-300 mile trip has arrived at zero. The next reunion I go to will be done by train, bus, or a nice drive from one campground to another. No trouble staying in touch, Verizon is almost everywhere.
Bill @ 9:09 AM PDT, Sep 1, 2008
The only things the TSA has successfully done is raise many people's blood pressure, and convince many to seek other means of transportation. I, for one, refuse to put myself in a position of having to endure their measures - while they are guaranteed to catch all of the really stupid 'terrorists', the stupid ones are not the ones we really need concern ourselves with. I also don't feel that any amount of security is worth giving up any of my rights. I hope the airlines are happy, as they have lost my business for as long as the TSA continues to treat people with less than the utmost respect, or even exist for that matter.
Gerry @ 9:01 AM PDT, Sep 1, 2008
Hi, thanks for the article. I just want to point out some redundancy to author Bruce Schneier: "The no-fly list is a Kafkaesque nightmare [...]" could read simply "The no-fly list is Kafkaesque [...]"
Jason Mashak @ 8:39 AM PDT, Sep 1, 2008
Please see The Identity Project's "What's wrong with showing ID?" page at http://papersplease.org/it.html In short, no matter how sophisticated the security embedded into an I.D., a well-funded criminal will be able to falsify it. Honest people, however, go to Pro-Life rallies. Honest people go to Pro-Choice rallies, too. Honest people attend gun shows. Honest people protest the actions of the President of the United States. Honest people fly to political conventions. What if those with the power to put people on a 'no fly' list decided that they didn't like the reason for which you wanted to travel?
Phil M @ 10:52 AM PDT, Aug 29, 2008
TSA: How can passengers possibly know if they are following the rules they are required by TSA to follow if those passengers are not allowed to see the rules? Do you really expect us to simply guess what is required of us based on all the often-inconsistent and clearly-incomplete information we are able to gather from anonymous tipsters, TSA press releases, and out-of-date TSA Web pages, then wait for some security guard at the checkpoint to tell us whether we guessed correctly or not? How can we be sure if that guard knows the rules and is not simply making them up on-the-fly?
Phil M @ 10:28 AM PDT, Aug 29, 2008
TSA: We're not asking to see your secret operating procedures (those that thousands of lowest-level-of-TSA airport security guards who turn over at a rate of somewhere around 25% per year, are allowed to see) and we don't want tips, hints, clues, guidelines, or out-of-date and internally-inconsistent TSA Web pages, just the rules you require us to follow in order to avoid having our freedom of movement restricted by your employees.
Phil M @ 10:28 AM PDT, Aug 29, 2008
TSA: Where has TSA published a list of all the rules and regulations that TSA will subject someone to if that person wishes to cross a U.S. Government checkpoint at an airport en route to the gate from which his domestic flight will depart, not including laws that the person is required to abide by outside of the airport checkpoint (i.e., just those rules and regulations that apply only at the checkpoint). Please provide a URL or name of the government publication.
Phil M @ 10:28 AM PDT, Aug 29, 2008
In order to avoid having our freedom of movement restricted by TSA, we must follow their special rules at U.S. Government checkpoints in airports. However, the TSA refuses to show us the rules we are required to follow. Please see comment threads at TSA's "Evolution of Security" blog (in particular, the August 15, 2008, "Keep Your Lap Top IN if you have a Checkpoint Friendly Bag" post: http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2008/08/keep-your-lap-top-in-if-you-have.html ) for numerous examples of people asking them to show us the rules.
Phil M @ 10:26 AM PDT, Aug 29, 2008
Bruce, You should also discuss the ineffectiveness of using current x-ray technology to "identify" potential liquid explosives. What a joke and waste of time. We can count know that 6 x 2 oz = 12 oz . Please explain why I cant carry my 8 oz shampoo?
sharkoz @ 9:36 AM PDT, Aug 29, 2008
Stay after them TK. Francine will bend, twist, or just flat out deny that the laws that govern TSA have limits. Her interpetation of law is suspect in any case based on past events.
RB @ 9:06 AM PDT, Aug 29, 2008
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