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Ruben remembered
Discuss today's editorial, Cold Copy and special retrospective on Ruben Salazar.
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1.
How very well I remember that fatefull day. A Chicano USMC Vet. I was there. I recall being about 150 feet South to the Photographer who took the famous photo of the officer who fired the tear gas missle, seen it travel into the bar and I ducking behind a telephone pole expecting returning fire. I then exited the area and made my way to a buddys barber shop on 3rd. St., washed out my eyes an told him and the patrons what I had seen. I exclaimed... "Smoke is Brown". Hearing, later that Salazar was hit in the bar, I felt a real sense of loss. Our champion was dead and as I judged correctly, we would never have a voice like him again.
2. To Mile L: Hey, stupid. You were smart enough to search The Wall using 100 common Anglo names. How about searching common Hispanic names such as Lopez, Martinez or Ramirez. You'd be surprised. And by the way, we Mexican-Americans were classified as "Caucasion" by most government agencies until 1975 when a separate category of "Hispanic" (Chicano in California) was added. And yes, stupid, officially there are only three general categories of humans - Caucasion, Black (Negro) and Mongolian (Asian).
3. Was Ruben Salazar covering the demonstration that became the East L.A. Riot? He was INSIDE the Silver Dollar bar. The action was OUTSIDE. Deputy's via Loud Speaker ordered everyone out of the bar. The door was OPEN, but there was a curtain covering the door way. A Tear gas projectile was fired through the door, maybe not the best choice, but it was during RIOT conditions. If those in the bar, including reporter Salazar had come out when ordered, there would have been no one injured or killed. Salazar would have lived to cover more story's and to have more drinnks.
4. mike L like most people you took my conversation out of context, martin beltran is correct, my birth certicate states that i am white. and i do not have a problem with that. my concern is ruben salazar, is he worthy of the honor bestowed upon him, absolutely YES. he appears to have been a good man, and cared about his community. and i am sure he was investigated. and pasted the muster for this great honor. but, please remember i am as american as you, and expect to be treated as such. writing you from latino land
5. This goes out to that yuppie Mike L... The ignorant and hateful comments coming out of your mouth are sheerly out of fear. What are you afraid of? That us as LATINOS are going to take over the world? That we are getting smart and will start doing something about the way we are oppressed as a society. It is pure ignorance that derives this country to become the immense burden on hundreds of thousands of people, and its cause by unrelied facts, untrue stories, and the ignorant beings like you.
6. Mile L.: Here is something to think about before your next Minuteman Patrol. Are you serious? You are discounting the Vietnam War casualty figures of Hispanics with deaths by race and surnames. I’m sorry, but this may be a shock to your Aryan brothers, but Hispanics are considered Caucasian in this context when categorizing by race. Also, 20% by common surname? And the other 80%? Just remember that your slave-owning forefathers were the source of last names for newly emancipated slaves. So you can’t say that all these names were white no more than you can say baseball player Garrett Anderson or former football great Jim Brown as being white.
7. 1.The Chicana/o Movement was not a riot, it was a peaceful mvmt that was attended by people of all ages, it became a riot after the LAPD got involved. 2. Ruben Salazar's death became an ex on how injust the Justice system is, look up the trials. When it comes to the 'Nam War, many more Chicana/os died when it came to comparing them to Whites, Chicanca/os were a far less number serving in Vietnam, but they were the ones that were being brought back in body bags, at a greater number than whites, do the math, einstein. educate yourself and conducte your own reaserch before your open your trap.
8. I taught HS in Boyle Heights years ago and used Ruben's Salazar's writings to stir discussion and bring out tensions and illicit opinion. It worked quite well then and from the looks of some of the other commentary it still works just fine. Note to Mike L: we are talking per capita and by the way we ARE in "Latino Land" or haven't you noticed. I guess some things Do change, but so much, unfortunately, remains the same.
9. Yes, think of all the reporters across the globe that have died in reporting the NEWS, especially news that certain corrupt offices or persons would not want the public to know. This happens in MEXICO and it happens in Russia, let's keep our eyes/ears open so that it won't happen here. Ruben Salazar was more than just a news man he was a trail-blazer, Chicanos/Mexicanos don't get their side told as often as they should especially in English. I look forward to the stamp. Oh, if Salazar had been at Kent Statein Ohio he would have been right their on the front lines.
10. Latinos 3to1vs whites.. really? here are the stats V'nam Casualties By Most Common Surname These 100 surnames total 11417 or 20% of the V'nam dead. Adams 112 Alien 121 Anderson 178Bailey 56 Baker119 Barnes 66 Bel 75 Bennett 68 Brooks65 Brown383 Bryan 50 Burns 52 Butler 54 Campbell94 Carter 108 Clark(170 Coleman 50 Collins 79 Cook(e) complete list here http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/vwc15.htm 3to1 my *ss
Submitted by: Vic Muniz
2. To Mile L: Hey, stupid. You were smart enough to search The Wall using 100 common Anglo names. How about searching common Hispanic names such as Lopez, Martinez or Ramirez. You'd be surprised. And by the way, we Mexican-Americans were classified as "Caucasion" by most government agencies until 1975 when a separate category of "Hispanic" (Chicano in California) was added. And yes, stupid, officially there are only three general categories of humans - Caucasion, Black (Negro) and Mongolian (Asian).
Submitted by: JR
3. Was Ruben Salazar covering the demonstration that became the East L.A. Riot? He was INSIDE the Silver Dollar bar. The action was OUTSIDE. Deputy's via Loud Speaker ordered everyone out of the bar. The door was OPEN, but there was a curtain covering the door way. A Tear gas projectile was fired through the door, maybe not the best choice, but it was during RIOT conditions. If those in the bar, including reporter Salazar had come out when ordered, there would have been no one injured or killed. Salazar would have lived to cover more story's and to have more drinnks.
Submitted by: JB
4. mike L like most people you took my conversation out of context, martin beltran is correct, my birth certicate states that i am white. and i do not have a problem with that. my concern is ruben salazar, is he worthy of the honor bestowed upon him, absolutely YES. he appears to have been a good man, and cared about his community. and i am sure he was investigated. and pasted the muster for this great honor. but, please remember i am as american as you, and expect to be treated as such. writing you from latino land
Submitted by: raul rodriguez
5. This goes out to that yuppie Mike L... The ignorant and hateful comments coming out of your mouth are sheerly out of fear. What are you afraid of? That us as LATINOS are going to take over the world? That we are getting smart and will start doing something about the way we are oppressed as a society. It is pure ignorance that derives this country to become the immense burden on hundreds of thousands of people, and its cause by unrelied facts, untrue stories, and the ignorant beings like you.
Submitted by: Senor Fred
6. Mile L.: Here is something to think about before your next Minuteman Patrol. Are you serious? You are discounting the Vietnam War casualty figures of Hispanics with deaths by race and surnames. I’m sorry, but this may be a shock to your Aryan brothers, but Hispanics are considered Caucasian in this context when categorizing by race. Also, 20% by common surname? And the other 80%? Just remember that your slave-owning forefathers were the source of last names for newly emancipated slaves. So you can’t say that all these names were white no more than you can say baseball player Garrett Anderson or former football great Jim Brown as being white.
Submitted by: Martin Beltran
7. 1.The Chicana/o Movement was not a riot, it was a peaceful mvmt that was attended by people of all ages, it became a riot after the LAPD got involved. 2. Ruben Salazar's death became an ex on how injust the Justice system is, look up the trials. When it comes to the 'Nam War, many more Chicana/os died when it came to comparing them to Whites, Chicanca/os were a far less number serving in Vietnam, but they were the ones that were being brought back in body bags, at a greater number than whites, do the math, einstein. educate yourself and conducte your own reaserch before your open your trap.
Submitted by: Cristina P.
8. I taught HS in Boyle Heights years ago and used Ruben's Salazar's writings to stir discussion and bring out tensions and illicit opinion. It worked quite well then and from the looks of some of the other commentary it still works just fine. Note to Mike L: we are talking per capita and by the way we ARE in "Latino Land" or haven't you noticed. I guess some things Do change, but so much, unfortunately, remains the same.
Submitted by: ralph c
9. Yes, think of all the reporters across the globe that have died in reporting the NEWS, especially news that certain corrupt offices or persons would not want the public to know. This happens in MEXICO and it happens in Russia, let's keep our eyes/ears open so that it won't happen here. Ruben Salazar was more than just a news man he was a trail-blazer, Chicanos/Mexicanos don't get their side told as often as they should especially in English. I look forward to the stamp. Oh, if Salazar had been at Kent Statein Ohio he would have been right their on the front lines.
Submitted by: ccool68
10. Latinos 3to1vs whites.. really? here are the stats V'nam Casualties By Most Common Surname These 100 surnames total 11417 or 20% of the V'nam dead. Adams 112 Alien 121 Anderson 178Bailey 56 Baker119 Barnes 66 Bel 75 Bennett 68 Brooks65 Brown383 Bryan 50 Burns 52 Butler 54 Campbell94 Carter 108 Clark(170 Coleman 50 Collins 79 Cook(e) complete list here http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/vwc15.htm 3to1 my *ss
Submitted by: Mike L
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