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Will gay rights trample religious freedom?
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Religion is childish, fairy-tale twaddle entirely divorced from real evidence, and the refuge of frightened sheep who can't handle the concept that the universe wasn't made especially for themselves. And religion is inherently bigoted against the non-practitioner.
All along, we've recognized how poor the language of the First Amendment (sorry Madison, otherwise I'm a big fan), and have historically ignored the "free excercise" clause because, as it's written, it protects human sacrifice, polygamy, pedophilia, etc. Try and understand that. Imagine if you hung a "whites only" sign on the doors of your sanctuary.
2. The tenets of Christianity are love and forgiveness. Homophobia and discrimination are NOT Christian, and there is nothing remotely Christian about those refusing to treat gay people like everyone else, with Christ-like love. jd11 asked if his church would be "forced to accept gay members." The notion of a church refusing membership to someone because of something we KNOW is not chosen and we KNOW cannot be reversed is vile. At no point did Christ EVER say "the church is only for people you think are 'good'" and a church which demands perfection will sit silent and empty.
3. Regarding the statements made that the church is not being prevented from beliefs against homosexuality. That part is obvious. But those same folks who go to church LIVE OUTSIDE of church. They go to work, they go to school, they run businesses and etc. Our beliefs go beyond the walls of a church and affect everything we do. Gay rights WILL trample upon our freedoms because now if our beliefs are "hurtful" and proven to be "hateful" then we won't be able to exercise that belief ANYWHERE - and eventually even including the church! It's already happening in Canada.
4. Dave Palmer--Godwin's Law. Point goes to Mr. Stern. Many others--wow! Where's it say in the Constitution (US or state) that you get to decide somebody else's religion is "bigoted" because it doesn't fit with your own "emlightened" values? Talk about imposing your values on other people--yowza!
5. Is there coming a day when I will be forced to morally accept homosexuality because the courts tell me so? Will my church be forced by the cultural architects to stop preaching the moral tenets of my 4,000 year old faith? Will my church have to accept G&L members and marry them or face lawsuits and harrassment? Surely you see where this could go! Listen ... we don't want to be evangelized by the G&L lobby. Just leave us alone to live out our lives quietly. Wow, that sounds vaguely familiar. How easily the oppressed become the oppressor when given the opportunity!
6. The Supreme court decision is a welcome one . Can a doctor refuse to treat an Aids patient because of his religious beliefs. Will a Jew not fly an Airline because it serves non kosher food ? Is the Airline violating his rights by serving shrimp wrapped in bacon to the passenger seated next to him? Which religion teaches that the laws of the land should be disobeyed ? Christianity ? Judaism ? Islam ?Obeying the Law is not violating your religion but keeping its basic tenets. All who disobey the Supreme Court's ruling should therefore be penalised in accordance with the law.
7. The writer overlooks the obvious: the hostility of these organizations damage the rights of homosexual persons. We have rights and religious views also.
8. Religion getting in the way of our bodies, that is an enigma. Unnecessary interference. Given choice, get rid of religion we can. Get rid of our bodies we can not. World is fed up with religions.
9. Gays have been discriminated against for years in various forms, usually due to religious influences. So now you're complaining that in a few isolated instances it's the other way around? As a gay man I feel that straights should have equal rights. That includes private institutions (such as churches or businesses) refusing to cater to gays and people being allowed to express what some may consider anti-gay opinions. But many Christians have been forcing their personal beliefs on society for many years, so what's the big deal about people forcing back?
10. An anti-Gay marriage cartoon (gone awry)- http://faithmouse.blogspot.com/2008/06/anti-gay-marriage-cartoon-gone-awry.html
Submitted by: Phil
2. The tenets of Christianity are love and forgiveness. Homophobia and discrimination are NOT Christian, and there is nothing remotely Christian about those refusing to treat gay people like everyone else, with Christ-like love. jd11 asked if his church would be "forced to accept gay members." The notion of a church refusing membership to someone because of something we KNOW is not chosen and we KNOW cannot be reversed is vile. At no point did Christ EVER say "the church is only for people you think are 'good'" and a church which demands perfection will sit silent and empty.
Submitted by: Darren
3. Regarding the statements made that the church is not being prevented from beliefs against homosexuality. That part is obvious. But those same folks who go to church LIVE OUTSIDE of church. They go to work, they go to school, they run businesses and etc. Our beliefs go beyond the walls of a church and affect everything we do. Gay rights WILL trample upon our freedoms because now if our beliefs are "hurtful" and proven to be "hateful" then we won't be able to exercise that belief ANYWHERE - and eventually even including the church! It's already happening in Canada.
Submitted by: San Diegan
4. Dave Palmer--Godwin's Law. Point goes to Mr. Stern. Many others--wow! Where's it say in the Constitution (US or state) that you get to decide somebody else's religion is "bigoted" because it doesn't fit with your own "emlightened" values? Talk about imposing your values on other people--yowza!
Submitted by: Peter Brown
5. Is there coming a day when I will be forced to morally accept homosexuality because the courts tell me so? Will my church be forced by the cultural architects to stop preaching the moral tenets of my 4,000 year old faith? Will my church have to accept G&L members and marry them or face lawsuits and harrassment? Surely you see where this could go! Listen ... we don't want to be evangelized by the G&L lobby. Just leave us alone to live out our lives quietly. Wow, that sounds vaguely familiar. How easily the oppressed become the oppressor when given the opportunity!
Submitted by: jd11
6. The Supreme court decision is a welcome one . Can a doctor refuse to treat an Aids patient because of his religious beliefs. Will a Jew not fly an Airline because it serves non kosher food ? Is the Airline violating his rights by serving shrimp wrapped in bacon to the passenger seated next to him? Which religion teaches that the laws of the land should be disobeyed ? Christianity ? Judaism ? Islam ?Obeying the Law is not violating your religion but keeping its basic tenets. All who disobey the Supreme Court's ruling should therefore be penalised in accordance with the law.
Submitted by: CochinIndia
7. The writer overlooks the obvious: the hostility of these organizations damage the rights of homosexual persons. We have rights and religious views also.
Submitted by: kelwien
8. Religion getting in the way of our bodies, that is an enigma. Unnecessary interference. Given choice, get rid of religion we can. Get rid of our bodies we can not. World is fed up with religions.
Submitted by: M Krishnamachary
9. Gays have been discriminated against for years in various forms, usually due to religious influences. So now you're complaining that in a few isolated instances it's the other way around? As a gay man I feel that straights should have equal rights. That includes private institutions (such as churches or businesses) refusing to cater to gays and people being allowed to express what some may consider anti-gay opinions. But many Christians have been forcing their personal beliefs on society for many years, so what's the big deal about people forcing back?
Submitted by: Arnold
10. An anti-Gay marriage cartoon (gone awry)- http://faithmouse.blogspot.com/2008/06/anti-gay-marriage-cartoon-gone-awry.html
Submitted by: Timothy A. Bear
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