Discuss Alexander McPherson's Nov. 21 Op-Ed article
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From the Los Angeles Times
OK....if we have "sexual harassment" training that basically tells adults what they learned in high school and college just to protect themselves from lawsuits, then they should have "false sexual harassment reports" training that inform workers of the dangers and punishments of filing false sexual harrasment claims just because you had a bad day or are not attracted to the person that is doing the "harassing".
Paul @ 4:34 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
Do you refuse to attend laboratory safety, lab. animal, and IRB required updates as well? I find these annoying, but complying is less annoying than getting constant reminders. Do you tell students to avoid the research ethics classes required for NIH-supported grad. students?
Get a grip and go to all of the university's cover-its-ass meetings - at most, maybe 4 hours all year. I typically have one hour of CYA meetings per year. It's a small price to pay for the privilege of lab. space and access to students, and the bureaucratic meetings at university tend to be fewer than those in big Pharma or biotech.
NancyP @ 3:54 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
I was sexually harassed at the age of 45 when getting my doctorate. When I declined the advances of my professor, he required a complete re-write of my thesis. I reported him, he was fired, my thesis was approved but it left me angry. Would sexual harassment training made a difference in my situation? I have no idea. But my reporting him, his subsequent firing should have made him a candidate for training. As to Professor McPherson, his clean record should not impose such training.
nancym70 @ 3:48 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
Bravo!
Drew @ 3:41 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
It seems that the sexual harassment industry is out in force to denounce Dr. MacPherson for his heresy. He declined to take part in your charade, and I wish more people had the guts to follow his example.
Some Guy @ 3:41 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
This is ridiculous. How does completion of legally-mandated training reflect on his reputation in any way? Ironically, raising a fuss like this makes him seem more suspicious, not less.
Does he think that mandatory lab safety training is also an imposition that somehow impugns his honor? Does he make a fuss about how he's never disclosed anybody's private medical information, so why should he have to take mandatory HIPAA training?
Or is it just that he doesn't think sexual harassment is a real problem?
EmilyB @ 3:13 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
So, did he take the training or is this all based on anticipation!?
WL Capps @ 3:04 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
Professor McPherson is totally right! In honor of his bravery, I will drive in excess of the speed limit every chance I get. Who is the state to tell me how to conduct myself on public roads? By setting a speed limit they insinuate that I would otherwise drive unsafely. Moreover, the state has not proven to my satisfaction that speed limits prevent people from speeding.
I'm sure the CHP will be sympathetic to my valiant stand against political correctness.
Ryeoconnor @ 2:52 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
my problem is that sexual harrassment of the worse sort will always be possible without it being "classifiable" as sexual harrassment. to wit: try being a gay man with a supervisor who wants in to your pants but you aren't interested. lordy lordy, they don't have lawsuits for this cause the guy will make your life miserable without, of course, ever admitting that sexual frustration has anything to do with it. I'm sure women have the same problem with male supervisors who, being possessed of half a brain, know enough to keep their harrassment "clean" but relentless.
broader definition of harrassment @ 2:46 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
I've worked in the corporate culture for over 20 years. The first time I had to take this training I thought, ok, that's fine. Every time after I sit there thinking about the work piling up on my desk. And the bottom line is? Those who don't need it already get it and those who do need it ignore it anyway.
OK....if we have "sexual harassment" training that basically tells adults what they learned in high school and college just to protect themselves from lawsuits, then they should have "false sexual harassment reports" training that inform workers of the dangers and punishments of filing false sexual harrasment claims just because you had a bad day or are not attracted to the person that is doing the "harassing".
Paul @ 4:34 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
Do you refuse to attend laboratory safety, lab. animal, and IRB required updates as well? I find these annoying, but complying is less annoying than getting constant reminders. Do you tell students to avoid the research ethics classes required for NIH-supported grad. students? Get a grip and go to all of the university's cover-its-ass meetings - at most, maybe 4 hours all year. I typically have one hour of CYA meetings per year. It's a small price to pay for the privilege of lab. space and access to students, and the bureaucratic meetings at university tend to be fewer than those in big Pharma or biotech.
NancyP @ 3:54 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
I was sexually harassed at the age of 45 when getting my doctorate. When I declined the advances of my professor, he required a complete re-write of my thesis. I reported him, he was fired, my thesis was approved but it left me angry. Would sexual harassment training made a difference in my situation? I have no idea. But my reporting him, his subsequent firing should have made him a candidate for training. As to Professor McPherson, his clean record should not impose such training.
nancym70 @ 3:48 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
Bravo!
Drew @ 3:41 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
It seems that the sexual harassment industry is out in force to denounce Dr. MacPherson for his heresy. He declined to take part in your charade, and I wish more people had the guts to follow his example.
Some Guy @ 3:41 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
This is ridiculous. How does completion of legally-mandated training reflect on his reputation in any way? Ironically, raising a fuss like this makes him seem more suspicious, not less. Does he think that mandatory lab safety training is also an imposition that somehow impugns his honor? Does he make a fuss about how he's never disclosed anybody's private medical information, so why should he have to take mandatory HIPAA training? Or is it just that he doesn't think sexual harassment is a real problem?
EmilyB @ 3:13 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
So, did he take the training or is this all based on anticipation!?
WL Capps @ 3:04 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
Professor McPherson is totally right! In honor of his bravery, I will drive in excess of the speed limit every chance I get. Who is the state to tell me how to conduct myself on public roads? By setting a speed limit they insinuate that I would otherwise drive unsafely. Moreover, the state has not proven to my satisfaction that speed limits prevent people from speeding. I'm sure the CHP will be sympathetic to my valiant stand against political correctness.
Ryeoconnor @ 2:52 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
my problem is that sexual harrassment of the worse sort will always be possible without it being "classifiable" as sexual harrassment. to wit: try being a gay man with a supervisor who wants in to your pants but you aren't interested. lordy lordy, they don't have lawsuits for this cause the guy will make your life miserable without, of course, ever admitting that sexual frustration has anything to do with it. I'm sure women have the same problem with male supervisors who, being possessed of half a brain, know enough to keep their harrassment "clean" but relentless.
broader definition of harrassment @ 2:46 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
I've worked in the corporate culture for over 20 years. The first time I had to take this training I thought, ok, that's fine. Every time after I sit there thinking about the work piling up on my desk. And the bottom line is? Those who don't need it already get it and those who do need it ignore it anyway.
Jon C. @ 2:39 PM PST, Nov 21, 2008
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