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Earth is not an entity that has ownership rights.
2. The global economy is trading insolvent, it has, and continues to borrow relentlessly from the earth with no ability or intention to pay back the debt.
3. There is, of course, no guarantee that something will come along to replace resources that are running out. The best thing to do is to set up a social system which would provide incentives and remove deterrents for people to find alternatives to scarce resources.
4. Since all taxes have impacts, perhaps we should consider taxing oil and eliminating payroll and sales taxes that harm employment and sales (revenue neutral tax shift). A $100/bbl oil tax would make a great innovation driving force and cause rapid change with a million new ideas and no government directed programs (if the government doesn't direct the "innovation", it can't screw it up). China is building the reactors, coal to liquid plants, hydro facilities, etc. not just thinking about permits.
5. Interesting. Xerox still manufactures copiers. Xerox does not own the machines under lease; the leasing company owns the machines. Xerox does not lease machines. Xerox and all other manufactures are looking for perpetual customers, not looking to be a "perpetual owner of leased machines". Conservation does not lead to innovation; Capitalism leads to innovation. http://thedeathofthecopier.blogspot.com/2008/05/testing.html
6. ps your 650 character limit really really damages the potential for this.
7. Cheap, clean abundant NUCLEAR POWER - interesting concept. Lets see how well that works out for you given the massive petroleum requirements involved in the lifecycle and the thousands of years dealing with a deadly waste stream. Oh, and don't forget that the majority of high grade, easily extractable ore has been used already. /rant off
8. ....continued.... You can only truly spend what you have over the long term and we are rapidly approaching the point at which what we have available is the yearly input from the sun. And don't go giving that "but there is xxx billion barrels of oil in sand/shale etc - the EROEI of accessing that is rapidly approaching 1:1 meaning that it costs almost as much to extract it as you get out. This does not solve our problems as a species, if anything it worsens our lot as the massive environmental damage involved in extracting it will leave us worse off in the longer term. ...tbc
9. ....continued.... Economic growth has only been possible due to the continually increasing availability of cheap energy. There is a pretty much linear relationship between energy availability and "economic growth" - at least there was up until the recent invention of fictional (fiat) currency and massive leverage/debt. This is not a sustainable process. Study long term effects of compound interest if you want to know more.... ....tbc
10. ... continued.... Any USE of NON-RENEWABLE resources PERMANENTLY depletes the resource base - that is the meaning of NON-RENEWABLE. Wishful thinking by economists who developed their theories (read "fairy tales") during a singular period of history in which mankind discovered a singularly useful store of ancient sunlight does not change reality. .....tbc
Submitted by: Michael Ejercito
2. The global economy is trading insolvent, it has, and continues to borrow relentlessly from the earth with no ability or intention to pay back the debt.
Submitted by: Craig Manhood
3. There is, of course, no guarantee that something will come along to replace resources that are running out. The best thing to do is to set up a social system which would provide incentives and remove deterrents for people to find alternatives to scarce resources.
Submitted by: Michael Ejercito
4. Since all taxes have impacts, perhaps we should consider taxing oil and eliminating payroll and sales taxes that harm employment and sales (revenue neutral tax shift). A $100/bbl oil tax would make a great innovation driving force and cause rapid change with a million new ideas and no government directed programs (if the government doesn't direct the "innovation", it can't screw it up). China is building the reactors, coal to liquid plants, hydro facilities, etc. not just thinking about permits.
Submitted by: Dallas Weaver, Ph.D.
5. Interesting. Xerox still manufactures copiers. Xerox does not own the machines under lease; the leasing company owns the machines. Xerox does not lease machines. Xerox and all other manufactures are looking for perpetual customers, not looking to be a "perpetual owner of leased machines". Conservation does not lead to innovation; Capitalism leads to innovation. http://thedeathofthecopier.blogspot.com/2008/05/testing.html
Submitted by: Greg Walters
6. ps your 650 character limit really really damages the potential for this.
Submitted by: subgenius
7. Cheap, clean abundant NUCLEAR POWER - interesting concept. Lets see how well that works out for you given the massive petroleum requirements involved in the lifecycle and the thousands of years dealing with a deadly waste stream. Oh, and don't forget that the majority of high grade, easily extractable ore has been used already. /rant off
Submitted by: subgenius
8. ....continued.... You can only truly spend what you have over the long term and we are rapidly approaching the point at which what we have available is the yearly input from the sun. And don't go giving that "but there is xxx billion barrels of oil in sand/shale etc - the EROEI of accessing that is rapidly approaching 1:1 meaning that it costs almost as much to extract it as you get out. This does not solve our problems as a species, if anything it worsens our lot as the massive environmental damage involved in extracting it will leave us worse off in the longer term. ...tbc
Submitted by: subgenius
9. ....continued.... Economic growth has only been possible due to the continually increasing availability of cheap energy. There is a pretty much linear relationship between energy availability and "economic growth" - at least there was up until the recent invention of fictional (fiat) currency and massive leverage/debt. This is not a sustainable process. Study long term effects of compound interest if you want to know more.... ....tbc
Submitted by: subgenius
10. ... continued.... Any USE of NON-RENEWABLE resources PERMANENTLY depletes the resource base - that is the meaning of NON-RENEWABLE. Wishful thinking by economists who developed their theories (read "fairy tales") during a singular period of history in which mankind discovered a singularly useful store of ancient sunlight does not change reality. .....tbc
Submitted by: subgenius
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