You moved here temporarily with your family to shoot a new season of "Food Revolution" in the L.A. Unified schools, and the district said no. What happened?
It's been pretty tough, but at the same time there is light at the end of the tunnel. I've been asked to produce a three-week menu that they might work into their system, which has to be taken as progress. I do have faith that I will have some kind of meaningful relationship with the LAUSD. They presumed I was just going to come in and knock them, but actually I wanted to see the situation and the stresses and pressures they're under.
At the end of the day, sustainable and large-scale change is the only true benefit I can achieve. Just walking through and saying, "That's crap, that's crap," is not productive. [For a while] I got into West Adams Prep [a high school run by MLA Partner Schools under contract with the LAUSD], which was a bit of a crack in the armor. I went in as an educator, and I honored all my promises of not filming the food or going in the kitchen or cafeteria, just so I could get access to the young people. We showed how easy it is to wrap food and food issues around any subject, so in a way we've learned so much more by getting kicked out of the kitchen.
Was the LAUSD just expecting you to be critical and manufacture conflict?
You look at their struggle and their history, the large-scale procurement of even an apple for 670,000 kids a day. If someone's going to start asking questions about where and when and how you get x, y, z, just from a money point of view, I guess they didn't want their laundry washed in public. I know in my heart I was going to do it honorably because it's important that I sleep well at night, but I think my time will come. It's a funny old thing, really; I don't think of it as a job, it's a responsibility, to be able to tell stories from the home to fast food to the school -- what's in your food.
How are food attitudes different here compared with Britain. As a small example -- when you showed kids in the U.K. all the gross parts that go into chicken nuggets, they wouldn't eat them. But here kids still prefer them.
I'm not saying that experiment is like a survey, but even young teenagers' attitude toward their health and mortality and their worries and their control of food choices seem a lot more vulnerable and emotional here. The thing that just breaks my heart is when you're surrounded by bad [food] choices, and you've got two or three generations of non-cooks like we have in England or America -- you just wish that there was food education in every school.
We're talking about the basic stuff. Where does honey come from? Where does butter come from? In Huntington [West Virginia, where Oliver taped a season of "Food Revolution"], we'd hold up tomatoes on the vine and they didn't have a clue what they were. [But] you hold up a pizza and they'd be all over it. That was a defining moment. We need to arm our children; we need to make them streetwise.
Eighty percent of all milk given to children across elementary and high schools in America is flavored, and that flavored milk per ounce has more sugar in it than a can of Coke. And for a school to get reimbursement, that milk's got to be offered.
It's not about being a food nazi. The madness of health in America is just the amount of [bad] additives -- frankly, things that are banned in Europe. There's nothing wrong with a burger, but if you add up all the ingredients, all the additives of a cheap dodgy burger It's about goodness and whole foods and nutrients versus the lowest form of stuff.
Why do we have such poor-quality food in such a rich country?
I guess it's a paradox. Some of the most amazing food experiences [are] here, but if you're talking about what the norm is -- I've been in central-ish L.A. and there's food deserts like you wouldn't believe. I've met mothers who make two-, three-, four-hour roundtrips just to buy a couple of bloody carrots. There's junk food on every corner. I even considered doing a drive-through supermarket. There's so much that could be achieved. L.A. as we all know is the city of a million permissions to be granted. As far as supermarkets, the posh ones and everyday ones, when you grant them permission to open, we need to be saying, if you want to open one over here in this lovely area, then you [should] open something over there in this other area, and that will fast-track your permissions.
It must have been heartbreaking to see those West Virginia kids dumping your broiled chicken and fresh fruit in the trash in front of you.
We're used to the nuggets; we're used to the burger. It's comforting. When something new comes along, there's a whole cultural piece to get them to buy into this new thing. If I went into a school and just changed the food, that is simply not enough; that alone is not good use of the taxpayers' money. You need food wrapped around [the curriculum].
Look, there's the home, advertising on TV for kids, there's the fast-food industry, the supermarket industry. But if I had a magic wand and one wish that could maybe influence and stop the vicious circle of bad health and obesity and early death, it's school, school, school, school, where the future of your country goes 180 days a year.
How does what you do differ from Alice Waters, of Chez Panisse, and her schoolyard gardens?
I know and love Alice, and in a funny sort of way I'm kind of one of her children, really. Alice has her way and she doesn't compromise and she is a goddess. I'm much more grass-roots and street level.