Live blogging Barack Obama and John McCain's second presidential debate

6:06 p.m. It’s showtime! The candidates are on stage, and the debate is about to begin.

There was a coin toss to determine who would answer each question first, and Obama won that privilege. He also won the coin toss that determined who answered first in the first debate. And his running mate Joe Biden won the coin toss to answer first during the vice presidential debate.

The New York Times recently wrote about McCain's propensity to gamble, but it looks like the Democrats may be luckier when it comes to tossing coins.

5:56 p.m. Moderator Tom Brokaw is on stage, prepping the audience. His main point: This encounter is about the candidates and their responses, not audience reaction. So he rather sternly warned the crowd to curb their enthusiasm.

As for the structure of the debate, the candidates will answer questions from the audience (made up of about 80 likely voters from the Nashville area) and from the Internet (more than 6 million questions were submitted online). Each candidate will have two minutes to answer each question, and then there will be a short period for rebuttal.

Although Brokaw had a hand in picking the questions, he will not be allowed to ask follow-ups or make comments. The person who asks the question also will not be allowed to ask follow-ups. Too bad.

5:42 p.m. Hello! And welcome to the second presidential debate. In just a few moments, Barack Obama and John McCain will take the stage at Belmont University in Nashville, Tenn., to answer questions from voters.

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If the photo to the left  is any indication, the stage will be very clean. We don't expect the same of the debate itself. 

Indeed, as our Peter Wallsten notes, the campaign has taken a dirty turn since the two candidates met last. Both campaigns have unleashed a barrage of attack ads, and the candidates have toughened up on the stump. McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, said it best at a recent campaign rally in California: "The gloves are off," she told the cheering crowd.

We will be live blogging the debate. If you'd like to watch along with us, we will be streaming it live here.

Stay tuned.

-- Kate Linthicum and Don Frederick

Photo: Ron Edmonds/Associated Press

 

OMG, McCain is so good at townhalls, Obama might not even show!

It's a strategy not unique to politics.

College football coaches every week on their own programs talk about how terribly strong their opponent is this coming Saturday, even if the other team hasn't won in 32 games. To hear them tell it, the home team will be lucky to escape with most of their uniforms after the game.

Republican presidential candidate and Arizona senator John McCain plies his trademark townhall trade in New Hampshire

Same going on today by the Democratic National Committee, trying to set the expectations bar high in tonight's town-hall presidential debate for John McCain, who prefers this style and has practiced it for years.

In fact, McCain suggested he and Barack Obama do 10 weekly town-hall sessions around the country all summer. The freshman Illinois senator initially seemed interested but on further reflection he demurred.

Our blogging colleague Mark Silva has the hilarious details on today's attempt over at the Swamp.

-- Andrew Malcolm

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Debate day reading list for the second Obama-McCain verbal battle

The second presidential debate is fast approaching. We'll be live blogging the town-hall style forum here, beginning at 5:30 p.m. PST, like we did the first faceoff between John McCain and Barack Obama and the encounter between the vice presidential nominees.

Until then, here's a short list of some of the most interesting debate-related stories from all over the Internet:

Town-hall debates are supposed to be about the voters. So we first present you with two up-close looks at voters in swing states. The New Yorker's George Packer wrote about disaffected voters in Ohio, and our own Peter Wallsten wrote about small-town Virginians.

Wallsten also took note of the increasingly negative turn of the campaign -- and what that means for tonight.

Slate magazine discussed the potential benefits and pitfalls of the town-hall-style debate, while Politico examined how they have shaped past elections. Politico's conclusion: Talking points are rarely effective in this kind of forum.

The New York Times, by the way, reported that at least 6 million questions have been submitted to be asked at the debate.

Rolling Stone is out with a scathing profile of McCain (no surprise about that slant). Meanwhile, our own Dan Morain and Bob Drogin recently profiled the man behind McCain -- chief strategist Steve Schmidt.

An finally, here's an interesting piece on Google search trends during last week's vice presidential debate. Did you know that the most popular search during the debate was "maverick?" Or that the number of Google queries about Joe Biden jumped by a factor of more than 70? The searches for Sarah Palin, who had been very much in the public eye before the debate, increased only by a factor of 6.

Want to know the buzzwords of tonight's debate? You'll have to stay tuned . . .

-- Kate Linthicum/Don Frederick

 

Now, a McCain debate warning: Watch for a contrast of his known bio with someone else's

NASHVILLE -- Look for Sen. John McCain to draw a personal contrast with freshman Illinois Sen. Barack Obama at tonight’s debate.

This, according to McCain confidant Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina.

Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina a close advisor to Republican presidential candidate and Arizona Senator John McCain

McCain may segue into the realm of personal biography by saying, “When it comes between me and Sen Obama, you know me,’’ Graham said in an interview with The Times' Peter Nicholas here before the debate.

“One thing I want you to know about him is," Graham continued, as if he was McCain speaking, "when [Obama] started in politics he started in the left lane in Chicago. And Bill Ayers [the former 1960s radical and Weather Underground co-founder] was somebody well-known to the left. He was a guy who could get you started and he did. Did a fundraiser for him. Been sort of an associate in Sen. Obama’s political aspirations. And now he’s trying to deny those associations because most Americans wouldn’t feel comfortable having Bill Ayers jump-start your campaign.’’

This is the second advance warning from a campaign today. As The Ticket reported here a brief time ago, Obama's chief....

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Obama strategist Axelrod warns John McCain on tonight's debate

NASHVILLE –- According to Barack Obama's chief political strategist, the freshman Illinois senator is prepared for his GOP rival to “take the gloves off” at tonight’s debate here, continuing the ReChief Barack Obama political strategist David Axelrod holding up a wall in Chicagopublican's assault of recent days.

But David Axelrod says Obama will try to stay focused on the global economic crisis, not just any attacks by Sen. John McCain.

“We’re prepared for a very aggressive debate,” Axelrod told reporters aboard Obama’s plane today en route to Nashville from North Carolina.

Should the need arise, Axelrod said, taking off one glove as a preemptory warning himself, Obama will remind Americans during the debate here at Belmont University of the Arizona senator’s role in the “Keating 5” thrift scandal of the 1980s.

“The Keating case is pretty germane to the discussion we’re having right now,” Axelrod said. “The Keating issue was one....

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The awful sacrifices Barack Obama must make to become president

The sacrifices these presidential candidates are willing to make to occupy a white house is truly amazing.

Word today from our Swamp blogging colleague John McCormick, on the campaign plane of Democrat Barack Obama, is that he didn't get to watch his favorite Chicago White Sox get dumped from the baseball playoffs.

Probably the nDemocrat presidential candidate Barack Obama of Illinois is a Chicago White Sox fan but missed watching the playoffsation's highest-profile ChiSox fan, Obama was apparently too busy with political business to watch his team get knocked out last night.

Does the country really want that kind of lack of devotion in the Oval Office?

According to chief campaign strategist David Axelrod, "The senator was actually working during the game, but was dismayed to hear the news."

Axelrod spoke on a flight from Asheville, N.C., where Obama has been campaigning and in debate preparations since Saturday evening, to Nashville for tonight's townhall debate-style presidential forum.

On the other hand, with Illinois' electoral votes presumably already up on his scoreboard, maybe Obama really did watch and root for Chicago but just doesn't want to offend one single Devil Rays fan/voter from the crucial state of Florida.

Did Obama see any of the Sox playoff games?

"He saw very little," said Axelrod, also a Chicagoan. "You know, running for president is a demanding thing, man. You gotta make sacrifices.'' As a long-suffering Cubs fan, Axelrod should know.

Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain, on the other hand, didn't have to worry about such athletic distractions.

His D'backs were, well, already out on the golf course.

-- Andrew Malcolm

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Anti-Barack Obama author detained while promoting his book in Kenya

Corsi Jerome Corsi, the author of a controversial book attacking Barack Obama, has been detained in Kenya and is expected to be deported, The Times' Nairobi bureau chief, Edmund Sanders, reports.

Corsi is the author of "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality," a bestselling book whose assertions -- that Obama was raised a Muslim and is secretly seething with "black rage" -- have been widely dismissed as false and based on little more than the author's desire to derail the Democrat's presidential candidacy.

Corsi arrived in Kenya Thursday to promote the book and to investigate Obama's ties to Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga, according to a news release sent to the media by Corsi's publisher last week. In a chapter of Corsi's book titled "Kenya, Odinga, Communism, and Islam," the author claims Obama gave Odinga $1 million for his 2007 presidential campaign -- a claim both Obama and Odinga deny.

Corsi was detained on Tuesday by Kenyan immigration officials for failing to obtain the proper visa needed to work in the country. He told the Associated Press that he expects to be deported soon.

Obama, whose father was Kenyan and mother was American, is wildly popular in Kenya and the U.S. election is being closely followed in the country.

Corsi played a role in the 2004 presidential election with a book attacking that year's Democratic nominee, John Kerry. "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry" hit No. 1 on the New York Times bestseller list. "The Obama Nation" spent four weeks at the top of the bestseller list.

-- Kate Linthicum

Photo credit: Jerome Corsi arrives at the immigration department in Nairobi, Kenya / AP

 

Elizabeth Edwards offers her views on healthcare policy

John Edwards may have disappeared from the political radar, after his summertime admission of an extramarital affair, but his wife -- who was a major asset to her husband's Democratic presidential aspirations and also became a voice to be reckoned with on her own terms -- is re-establishing a public profile.

Recently, Elizabeth Edwards talked with the Detroit Free Press about the storm of personal turmoil she's experienced. Today, she talked policy at conference co-sponsored by the Service Employees International Union in the key state of Virginia.

Appearing at the gathering in Richmond in her role as a senior fellow of the liberal Center for American Progress Action Fund, she excoriated John McCain's healthcare proposals.

Although the event was not officially linked to Barack Obama's campaign, it was in line with an increasing effort by the Democrat and his allies to focus attention on a significant policy difference between the two presidential candidates.

And Obama can be expected to seize every opportunity to harp on the issue during his townhall meeting with McCain tonight.

-- Don Frederick

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Rudy Giuliani attacks Barack Obama for his friends -- and gets called out over one of his own

Republicans far and wide have eagerly jumped on the assertion Monday by top Barack Obama aide David Axelrod that the candidate was unaware of Bill Ayers' background as a violent radical when the two first met in the mid-1990s.

Sarah Palin pressed the GOP attack today while campaigning in Florida (our colleague Mark Silva has the details at the Swamp).

Sometimes, though, a particular surrogate may not match up well with delivering a particular message. That appeared to be the case this morning, on Fox News' "Fox and Friends."

Rudy Giuliani, sitting on the set's couch, castigated Obama for "a pattern" of apparently not being fully aware of the views and detects of some of his associates, mentioning the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Chicago crook Tony Rezko, along with Ayers. The bottom line, the former New York mayor said, was that all this showed Obama lacked "the judgment" to serve as president.

On camera next was Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs, speaking from Nashville, the site of tonight's town hall faceoff between his candidate and John McCain. And Gibbs was ready with an acerbic response.

He noted that Giuliani has been the main advocate for Bernard Kerik, New York's former police commissioner, to be named head of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. President Bush made the nomination, only to quickly withdraw it when a morass of legal and personal problems surrounding Kerik surfaced (he currently is under federal indictment for conspiracy, mail fraud and several other charges).

As a result, Gibbs said, "taking judgment advice" from Giuliani "is a little bit like being called ugly by a frog."

The not-to-be missed exchange can be seen here.

-- Don Frederick

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John McCain backer dropped from Virginia campaign team due to racially tinged column

John McCain's campaign has denounced and rejected a racially charged, anti-Barack Obama newspaper column written by one of the Republican campaign's organizers in Virginia,and has removed the author-activist from his post as a member of the candidate's statewide leadership team.

The column by Bobby May appeared in a southwestern Virginia newspaper,The Voice, and drew attention after it was cited in a Sunday Los Angeles Times report about how voters in that mostly white region were reacting to potentially electing the country's first black president.

May, who in July was named his county's Republican representative on the McCain statewide campaign team, offered a spoof of Obama's platfrom and plans in his recent column.

Examples: Obama would hire the rapper Ludacris (a prominent supporter) to paint the White House black. And the....

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Lehman Brothers boss spread money around Capitol Hill and got some back

In his day, Lehman Brothers Chief Executive Richard S. Fuld used his big paychecks to spread campaign money among Democrats and a few Republicans. Lately, he received a little bit back, thanks to Senate banking committee chairman Christopher Dodd and Hillary Clinton.

Henry Waxman, the Beverly Hills Democrat, summoned Fuld to Capitol Hill on Monday and grilled him about his pay, noting that Fuld appeared to have received $480 million this decade.

“Is this fair?” Waxman said, as The Times' Jim Puzzanghera reported.

Fuld said he probably received "a little bit less than $250 million -- still a large number, though."

Fuld got rid of some of that money in the form of....

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McCain-Obama, Palin-Biden: New numbers reveal Americans eat up these debates

There's a lot of talk, mainly between these quadrennial presidential circuses, about Americans' inattention to and nonchalance about their democratic political process, which now lasts nearly two full years. With the other two spent plotting.

Maybe you remember how impressed everyone was back in August when the Democratic National Convention drew such high TV ratings.

And the very next week, despite a holiday and a hurricane, the Republican National Convention drew even more viewers, especially, doggone it, that acceptance speech by the newcomer Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, whose name is genuine box-office for admirers and detractors.

Democratic senator and vice presidential candidate Joe Biden of Delaware and Republican Alaska Governor Sarah Palin drew record TV viewership ratings for a VP debate

Now come the presidential debates, which showed Americans by the dozens of millions were watching and judging the contestants to be their new leaders.

And then last week's record-breaking vice presidential debate between Palin and her Democratic opposite, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware. (See a Times video analysis below by clicking on the "Read more" line.)

As Republican John McCain and Democratic Barack Obama prepare for tonight's second of three rhetorical confrontations -- this one a town-hall forum in Nashville, which the Ticket will again be live-blogging right here as usual at 6 p.m. Pacific -- come some fascinating statistical tidbits that back up the Ticket's own exploding readership numbers in recent months.

Just under 70 million watched the VP debate, viewer numbers topped only by the October 1980 debate between Pres. Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan.

According to the Nielsen rating service, 61% of all American households have watched one of the debates so far, nearly 31% watched both and fully 41% watched the VP chat.

As usual, older citizens (55+), who are the most reliable voters too, made up the largest proportion for the first two debates -- 42% and 46%. But Nielsen found more younger viewers than usual tuning into the VP confrontation, enough to lower the median age from 54 for the presidential debate to 52 for the VPs.

African American households, which make up about 12% of U.S. TV households, comprised 14% of the Obama-McCain debate audience and about 12% of the VP encounter.

Latinos seem the least interested. They make up about 11% of US total TV households, but made up only 6.3% and 6.5% of the debate audiences.

But here's one interesting Nielsen finding that flies against all standard political intuitions: Minute-by-minute studies of viewership during both debates so far this general election season show that despite conventional wisdom, viewership did not drop off for the second half of each debate.

In fact, viewership stayed high and steady throughout both sessions.

See what happens without commercials?

-- Andrew Malcolm

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Don FrederickDon Frederick has served as an editor helping guide coverage of every presidential election since 1984. He is a third-generation Washingtonian, so watching the political world comes naturally to him.

A graduate of Northwestern University, he was a reporter for newspapers in Colorado, New Mexico and Texas before joining the (now-defunct) Los Angeles Herald Examiner in 1983. Hired by The Times in 1989, he has worked in its Washington bureau since 1996 — a perch providing him a close-up view of the impeachment of President Clinton, the government's response to 9/11 and the day-to-day wrangling of the two major parties.
Andrew MalcolmAndrew Malcolm's immigrant parents repeatedly stressed the importance of active participation in a democracy. Early lessons included learning the alphabetical list of states by watching televised roll calls of national political conventions. That childhood exposure led to a lifelong fascination with politics, including 40-plus years of covering them and a brief stint practicing them as press secretary to Laura Bush in 1999-2000.

A veteran foreign and national correspondent, Malcolm served on the Times Editorial Board and was a Pulitzer finalist in 2004. He is the author of 10 nonfiction books and father of four.