By rights, Dr. Dre should have won a Grammy for producer of the year in 1989 for his work on N.W.A's landmark "Straight Outta Compton," the album that helped define gangsta rap.
The level of respect for rap hadn't increased enough to make Dre a producer nominee four years later when he delivered another album, "The Chronic," that had an equally revolutionary effect on rap by mixing in classic R&B and funk elements.
Dre's latest accomplishments, however, were too noteworthy for Grammy voters to ignore. Besides producing several tracks on Eminem's "The Marshall Mathers LP," Dre delivered "Dr. Dre -- 2001," his own formal follow-up to "The Chronic," and it was another critical and commercial blockbuster.
During a break from work on his next album, Dre spoke about his five Grammy nominations, including producer of the year and best rap album, and some of the issues surrounding rap, including controversial content.Question: How nervous were you when you released "Dr. Dre -- 2001"? It had been six years since "The Chronic," and that's an eternity in a musical field that changes as fast as rap. Some people were whispering that you had lost your touch.
Answer: I knew that it could be my make-or-break album -- not as a producer but as an artist. If it didn't catch on, I wasn't going to try another solo album.
There might be some artist who comes along with new [sounds] and causes people to race after them -- just the way fans turned their back on Elvis Presley for the Beatles. You always have to be prepared for when your time is up as an artist.
Q: How would you feel if you gave up the artist side and were just a producer? Would you miss it?
A: I don't think it'd mean anything to me either way. The thing I'm proud of is the production. That's my thing. Someone talked me into doing the "Chronic" album and it worked, so I kept at also trying to be the artist on the records.
Q: There is so much debate in the pop world over the content of rap albums, from Eminem's record to Tupac Shakur's records. But there's another school of thought that the beat is the only thing that matters. When you are making a record, what do you focus on most? What's more important: the content or the sound?
A: It's both. You can have a song that has [lame] content with a good beat and that's all you're going to get out of it. People might play it in a club where they're not paying attention to the words -- where they could just as well be playing an instrumental. But the content is important if you are in another [setting] and people do think about what you're saying in the record. To make a record work in that circumstance, you have to have everything -- the right beat, the right tempo, the right words, the right performance.
Q: After your marriage in 1996, you started wrestling with some of the violent and X-rated themes of hard-core rap. You even softened the tone of the music for a while. But you returned to the hard-core style on "Dr. Dre 2001." What was behind that?
A: I realized that music is me. I like doing crazy, wild music. It's what I do best. I like N.W.A. I like Eminem. I like Richard Pryor. As a kid, I used to listen to Richard Pryor and Redd Foxx and just roll on the floor. It was funny and it was wild.
Q: Are there limits on that wild side? There has been so much criticism in some circles about some of the language on the Eminem album, for instance -- especially the references to gays and lesbians. What do you say to those people?
A: Well, that's really a question for Eminem because it's his words. But generally, my thought is that if you don't understand the humor then it's not for you. When we go into the studio, we're not going, "Let's see who we can [tick] off. Let's mess around with people's parents." Half the time, I'm on the floor laughing at some of the stuff that comes out of Eminem's mouth. The [stuff] is funny to me. It's straight dark comedy.
Q: Does it worry you that kids as young as 10 or 12 listen to the music?
A: There are stickers on the album -- and I think it's important for parents to pay attention to what's happening. I'm not sure I would go buy an Eminem record for my oldest son. There is some stuff on there that I don't think is appropriate for children, but we're not making records for children. We're not Disney.
Q: Do you have a target audience in mind when you go into the studio, either on your own or with Eminem?