The arts make serious money and produce serious economic impact. As I understand the numbers, over the years arts venues match sports venues in that department. People line up to go to Disney Hall. They line up to go to the Getty. And the arts are also good for the psyche -- not just for individuals but for the collective psyche. So if I ran the NEA, I'd stress that -- the role the arts play in producing a sense of community, a sense of pride. That's universal, but sometimes we forget it.