What were your storytelling priorities going into the final season?
There was this constant theme — one way resolution and in another way change. Those two themes go through the season. I didn't want to tie up absolutely every last string, but I wanted to resolve the future for most of the characters, and at least indicate what it was probably going to be like. Like Anthony Trollope, I like happy endings. I didn't want to kill someone with cancer or knock them over on the road. I just felt the audience had earned happy endings, particularly for Edith, because Edith's has had nothing but bad luck for six years, and so it seemed nice that she should triumph after the last. That was fixed pretty early on in my mind. Apart from that it was just bringing everyone gradually into port, really.
Are you influenced by fan feedback? Fans certainly wanted Edith to catch a break.
There was one wonderful Twitter thing that I was told about, because I don't do Twitter. It said, "If Edith Crawley isn't happy at the end of the last episode, Julian Fellowes had better sleep with one eye open."
I think [the fans] earned it. They have been with her up hill and down dale. I admire Edith. I think some people are unlucky in life, and some of them are defeated by it, and some of them keep trying. They have a kind of gallantry. We all know those kind of unlucky people who just don't give in and keep going and when they do crack it, which does sometimes happen, it's a very nice feeling. I felt that Laura's Edith had earned her good luck, really, by the end. She just kept fighting all the way through.
And of course I wrote to that because Laura produced this performance, which I thought was very, very good. In a series, you're writing to performances you can see. When you write a film or a play or musical, that's not true, you just write it and then they cast it and then the actor plays it. With a series you really develop the characters in collusion with the actors, you're bringing them on together really. "Downton" was no different.
Were there any other performances that shaped your writing?
Kevin [Doyle] was like that with Molesley. He came in as the butler/valet in Mrs. Crawley's house, and I didn't know whether he'd stay more than one or two seasons. I thought he had this incredibly kind of poignant but humorous performance that I really enjoyed. So I started to envisage him staying all the way. That was in response to Kevin. There's no question about it. I thought he was brilliant, and I hope he flourishes.
You haven't been afraid to really take Mary to some dark, challenging places this season.
It is a sort of popular myth in films and television that siblings always adore each other — they sit on each other's beds and cry and all that. I can only say that has not been my life experience, and I think siblings jar against each other quite as often as they adore each other, if not more so. Mary and Edith's tussling has been based on that. What I wanted to do was escalate it before a kind of resolution. It's like Mary realizes she's gone one step too far and after that, from that comes her resolution. I don't think they're ever going to adore each other or go on holiday together to the South Seas, but I think that they reached a point where they understood they might try to run along reasonably well.
For that to happen, I wanted Mary to do something that was almost unforgivable and she realizes herself that it was too much and so she compensates by bringing them together again. I thought it worked well, but one of the reasons it worked well is that Michelle is one of those actresses, and actually so is Maggie, who is not afraid to be disliked. You give them a story and if it's good to play and if it's interesting, then the fact that the audience will dislike them for it, they don't mind. That's such a gift for a writer. Often actors will shy away from stories that will make them seem unloving or cold or hostile or whatever. Michelle's not like that. She's a very interesting, courageous actress.
Virtually everyone in the finale gets a happy ending, with the possible exception of Carson.
Carson has a slightly qualified happy ending because I felt I wanted a seismic, emotional way of saying that actually Downton will never be the same again and for me, Carson leaving was the clearest way I could send that message, by giving him a physical condition which may be just a tremor or it may be the beginning of Parkinson's. I don't think I've made him miserable because he's happily married with Mrs. Hughes, and they know where they're living on the estate. But that's the only kind of shadow on the story. I wanted a sort of sad moment when we realized that this era is coming to an end, and giving that scene between Carson and Robert Grantham was a way of marking the moment, that you know the old Downton is finished now.
When Lord Grantham's ulcer burst, I thought that's what that was going to be.
I must tell you about that. In those days, they weren't very good at identifying or managing ulcers, but they could treat them when the ulcer burst. We said to a doctor, if an ulcer burst in the '20s, when you hadn't been containing it before, how much blood would you actually lose? The doctor gave us an amount and we halved it. The blood that Robert actually lost in that scene was half would have been in real life. It really would have been like "The Exorcist" or "Alien" if we put the real amount in. And it was projectile. That wasn't made up by us. It is true that we in fact underplayed it. We thought that was quite enough blood for "Downton."
At some point, romance really took over the series.
I mean obviously in the final episode there was a lot of romance, because on the whole if you want to give people a happy ending, you give them a love story. But romance was always a solid part of it. For most people, their life is really three things: Where they live, what they do for a living, and who they share their emotional life with. Those three elements are the main strands of 98% of our lives. Obviously where they live in the case of "Downton Abbey" was a fairly major character, most of them had careers and the third stand is love, and we had a lot of that.
A lot of big shows have gone off the air in the last few years. Were there any finales you looked to for "Downton's" farewell?
I was a big, big fan of "The West Wing" and a big, big fan of "Mad Men." I absolutely adored both of those series. The end of "Downton" was closer to "West Wing." It was a mixture of everyone being happy and at the same time a certain poignancy because it had come to an end. However much we felt Martin Sheen and Stockard Channing were fine, nevertheless his major job in life was gone. From now on he was essentially an ex-president. That put a poignancy into the business of the episode in which almost everyone else was happy, again with a lot of romance and career fulfillment.
In a way I think that was quite similar. With "Mad Men." Matthew Weiner took a different choice and turned him into a creature of the '60s. And also he had a bit of tragedy. Killing January Jones with cancer. He went in a darker direction.
What I do feel is a final episode of the show is not the same as another episode. It's not designed to bring in new viewers. It's not designed to speak to people who've never watched the show before. It's made for your faithful viewers. It's a letter from the makers of the program to their followers and that marks it apart.
You put the characters away months ago now. Do you miss them?
They live in the back of my head slightly because there may be a film and it rumbles on, in which case they'll all come dancing back into my life. I'd be completely up for a film. It's a different kind of narrative. I think it would be interesting to do if we can get the actors. They all rushed off into other jobs, doing plays and making films.
You've become known for period dramas. Is there a part of you that longs to do a story on an alien spaceship?
I don't know about an alien spaceship, but I like contemporary drama very much. Probably one of my favorite pieces was called "Separate Lies," with
How has the show changed your life?
It was an extraordinary phenomenon to be a part of. Many, many careers, even busy, good careers, never find themselves at the center of a whirlwind like that and really we all realized we were caught up in a phenomenon that would probably not be equaled again in our working life. Everyone who was on board the good ship "Downton" now knows what it's like to be at the center of a world hit. We had millions viewing it everywhere. We were given awards all over the world. We were flown all over the world. The whole thing was extraordinary phenomenon. People would burst into tears. When you're in the middle of that, a lot of it is very surreal. I'm very, very grateful that I've known what it's like.
Any particularly surreal moments?
I was in Barnes & Noble on Fifth Avenue in New York and I was walking around from table to table. This woman was following me and I could sort of see her hovering and following and finally I turned to her and I said, "Can I help?" She looked at me and her lip quivered and she said, "Just let Edith be happy!" You do rather wonder what you've started up. I remember suddenly getting a message I had to run to No. 10 Downing Street with a signed script to give to a head of state. There were so many strange happenings over the six or seven years. As I say, it was all fantastic to be a part of.