Once again you're the only woman on the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors. Outside of having a bathroom all to yourself, what is wrong with this picture?
Zev [Yaroslavsky] at the same time, hopefully there'll be a real opportunity for women.
Ted Kennedy was someone you thought highly of. He was a great compromiser. You've said you don't compromise very effectively. Why is that?
Let's face it, you can't survive in this system [without] some compromise. But anything that compromises my own personal sensibilities and about certain issues, I just won't move. Sometimes I would rather lose than compromise. The East L.A. prison fight was exactly that. I had carried a package of about 12 bills [in the Legislature] on high school dropouts. The governor [George Deukmejian] asked me if I wanted him to sign them, and I said, "Absolutely," and he said, "We would like you to accept the prison in East L.A." I had to reject that, and he vetoed all of my [education] bills.
What did that teach you?
So many colleagues said, "Gloria, you have to cut your losses on this one, there's another day." But in my community this issue was so strong. I also felt betrayed by the political system. I think I made the right decision. I think that's also one of the reasons I have enjoyed a lot of support in my community.
Your name has been mentioned for Congress, even governor. Is this job the best fit for you?
This is a very good fit for me. It meets all of my personal needs about being a, quote, politician or policymaker, because of the range of issues -- children's issues, senior citizen issues, all aspects of government. I really don't think [Congress] would have been a good fit for me, working through the caucus, waiting for seniority opportunities, having to do the bidding of so many senior members in order to get opportunities. So this seat was just a perfect fit. I love what I do and I wish I could stay here forever, but it's just as well that I move on and find something else, hopefully not elective office.
How have you changed the culture of the board?
I think I've had a huge impact. Whether it is noticeable or not, I'm not sure. When I first arrived, it was very acceptable to allow the county administrative officer to basically operate everything. His recommendations were accepted; the department heads ran the departments with little or no questions. To me, the budget determines what your priorities are. And the board always let the CAO do the budget. There was a lot of rubber-stamping. I worked very hard to create a very different system, to ask questions. The other part is this ownership thing [about] money. My daughter was watching [me] on TV arguing with my colleagues, and she said, "Mom, why do you care? It's not your money." And I said, "It is, and I treat it like my money."
In the process, you've ticked off a lot of people, administrators. If you've made things better for the system, have you made it harder for you to operate in it?
Certainly I have had people refuse to give me information, and we've had battles. The sheriff [Sherman Block] was one of the first. I'd question what was going on and how the expenditures were made. Sheriff Block was a very tough guy to deal with. I said, "Sheriff, I don't tell you who to hire, where to send out the cars, how you handle anything -- there's only one thing I can do legally, and that's your budget. I want to understand your budget." Just asking the questions made him very angry. They eventually started fibbing to me. There was a deputy -- I barred him from this office. I don't need anybody to come in and not tell me what's going on. I didn't want to embarrass him; I just wanted him to tell the truth. That was the first struggle; it's still continuing.
One of your colleagues used the word "grandstanding."
Sometimes I have to take things public. When I first came here, on the pension issue, my colleagues, all of them, were very angry with me. Sometimes I have to go that far in order to make a point.
My colleague, Garrett Therolf, says it bugs you that reporters come to you for what you've called the "bitch quote" -- is that how you've been cast by the press?
Absolutely. Particularly in the L.A. Times, my name always has a lot of adjectives like "feisty" or "hostile" or "angrily." When Zev asks a question as aggressively as I do, it doesn't have those adjectives in front of his name. Granted, I get angry about some of our people and how badly they do certain things. I do know that's [my] reputation. I really even don't mind it. I'd love being sweet and nice all the time if I could, if I didn't care about all of this, but I do.
Los Angeles County is majority Latino; California soon will be. Is it time to begin redefining majority and minority?
We're going to be a majority, but what does that mean? If you still [have] the highest dropout rate and the most crime-infested neighborhoods and all those things, then it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't create anything unless you are empowering along the way. So, yes, we are more in numbers, but I don't know that we are effective enough collectively, as Latinos. We will not be the power majority at all because there's too many shortcomings in the Latino community for all kinds of reasons, unless we make the kind of dramatic changes to make sure that as you move up, you're going to have a healthier number of Latinos in every way -- health, education, financial independence.