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Still, the president said in an interview released Monday, he remains hopeful that the goodwill shown by Republican leaders in the recent lame-duck session will carry over into the new year — optimism that doubles as a challenge.
"You've got Republicans in a position where it's not enough for them simply to grind the wheels of Congress to a halt and then blame me," Obama told National Public Radio in the interview, conducted before he left for Christmas vacation in Hawaii. "They are going to be in a position in which they have to show that they can responsibly govern, given that they have significant majorities in both chambers."
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But both Republicans and the president know that any serious work to find compromise will invite criticism from their respective bases that they have given in to the other side. So in the weeks since the midterm election, both sides have played a delicate game by promising to do business with the opposite party while also vowing to hold firm when necessary.
Since the election, McConnell has vowed to show that the Senate can function and has ruled out new government shutdowns. But he also has promised a new effort to undercut the president's healthcare law and to set a vote on the Keystone XL pipeline as the Senate's first order of business in January.
In the NPR interview, Obama said there were areas of agreement that would be priorities come January, particularly finding ways to further the economic recovery. But he acknowledged that the Democrats' midterm losses would put him in more direct confrontation with congressional Republicans.
"I haven't used the veto pen very often since I've been in office, partly because legislation that I objected to was typically blocked in the Senate," which was in Democrats' hands. "Now I suspect there are going to be some times where I've got to pull that pen out. And I'm going to defend gains that we've made in healthcare; I'm going to defend gains that we've made on environment and clean air and clean water."
Michael Steel, a spokesman for Boehner, said the interview indicated that Obama was "doubling down on his 'go-it-alone' strategy, rather than listening to the American people, who want us to work together to get things done for the country."
The president said immigration was an area in which Republicans might change their approach as they face a new political reality heading into 2016 — even though many in the GOP want to roll back recent executive actions he took to defer deportation for as many as 5 million more immigrants in the U.S. illegally.
Some Republicans "voted for a comprehensive bill in the Senate that in many ways was more generous than I was able to offer through executive action," he said. "So, the question then becomes, by me having taken these actions, does that spur those voices in the Republican Party who I think genuinely believe immigration is good for our country? Does it spur them to work once again with Democrats and my administration to get a reasonable piece of legislation done? Or does it simply solidify what I do think is ... a nativist trend in parts of the Republican Party?"
Obama addressed a range of other topics in the interview, including Cuba, Iran and the renewed debate over race relations following the deaths of black men — Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., and Eric Garner in New York — in confrontations with white police officers. Grand juries have declined to indict either officer, triggering protests and unrest.
The president said he did not believe that the nation was more racially divided now than before he took office, but that the recent discussions about the relationship of minority communities and law enforcement is "healthy."
"When it's in the news and you see something like Ferguson or the Garner case in New York, then it attracts attention," he said. "But I assure you, from the perspective of African Americans or Latinos in poor communities who have been dealing with this all their lives, they wouldn't suggest somehow that it's worse now than it was 10, 15 or 20 years ago."
The president said he was confident that his recently created task force on police practices would lead to tangible progress on the issue, "as opposed to simply stewing in the hopelessness of race relations in this country."