Richard McGuire has been making art in one form or another for close to 40 years. He recorded classic underground records with the band Liquid Liquid, produced PBS animations, directed French films, illustrated New Yorker covers and designed kids books and toys. He also created a one-off comic strip 25 years ago for Art Spiegelman's Raw magazine that is now being expanded into the time-traveling opus "Here," a handsomely packaged graphic novel (Pantheon, 304 pp, $35) and e-book.
The printed volume's end pages recall Magritte's painting "Time Transfixed," in which a billowing black locomotive emerges from a fireplace. In "Here," a fireplace becomes a metaphorical setting for everything that unfolds in that corner of the house, McGuire's childhood home — fast-forwarding to a
What started as a 36-panel comic strip more than two decades ago has morphed into one of the most engaging graphic novel experiments in book form I've ever seen: The print edition is a beautifully bound literary production, and the enhanced e-book allows you to skip back and forward in time as if you were watching an animated storyboard come to life. ("Here" also opened as an exhibition this fall at the Morgan Library in New York City and was featured as a New Yorker cover.)
Speaking by phone from New York, McGuire discussed the unorthodox and drawn-out process that led to the book-length version of "Here."
You're not a die-hard comics guy. Why release "Here" as a graphic novel?
I can think of a few classic comics that really resonate with me. There's only a small percentage of the stuff I can really connect with. Things like "Krazy Kat," for instance. When I was a kid I used to cut out and rearrange the panels and make my own crazy story. But I was always much more interested in the art world. When Raw came out, it was significant enough that I was jealous and I wanted to be in it. I remember as soon as I made my first strip, I sent it to Art Spiegelman. That was "Here," and it got in.
I met all those people. They all seemed like outsider artists. They seemed so not about making money. They were just making work for the love of it. I loved being part of that, but I felt like I had other things I wanted to do, and I never could totally commit myself to comics.
It's torture, making comics. The people who do it can't do anything else. They're devoted. I could never just get totally behind it and do only that. Forever, I wanted to make an animated film, and I finally got to do it. I wanted to make toys and I was able to do that.
The original comic was 36 panels in Spiegelman's Raw 25 years ago. At what point did you start to think it should be a book?
After I had done that strip — I had only made a few strips in my life — I went off and did some kids' books. I took a trip to Japan, and I was coming back thinking about what I could do that's not a kids' book. It was before Chris Ware's "Jimmy Corrigan" had debuted.... He initially wrote me a fan letter, and then he came to New York. He was always after me to do more comics-driven work.
I made a little dummy and I went to the publisher ... it was Chris who opened the door there. I went over, showed them the stuff, and signed the contract, but I just couldn't wrap my mind around "Here."
I'm glad it didn't come out when it was supposed to. I wasn't ready for it. Also, on a personal level, my parents passed away, my sister passed away. We had to sell the house. I spent a lot of time in it digging through piles of stuff from my past. My parents lived there for 50 years. I had to sort it all out while I was working on the book, so it really flavored what I did. It wouldn't have been the same book at all if it had come out when it was scheduled to.
It seems cathartic in a way.
It was definitely cathartic. Also going through the grief stages helped. I got along with my family very well. Processing back-to-back loss was difficult. When I left the house, I took all these photos with me, and it was a weird way of dealing with it. I started to have all these dreams about them as I was working on the book. It was a very strange time. I spent a year doing research, and probably 11/2 to two years doing the artwork, trying to make it all make sense.
Simultaneously I was working on the e-book version, which ... re-contextualizes the book completely and makes new combinations and new connections.
You've said the book is about impermanence and the notion that now is the only thing that exists.
That's the main take-away. ... I was scared of what to do for the future part of it and while I was working on it, two big events happened: the Fukushima and the Sandy Hurricane disasters. As I was thinking about that area, one thing I did know was that it goes underwater at some point in the future. That's just the way the land is there. It had been underwater in the past and in the book it goes underwater twice in the future. But I didn't want a completely bleak future. There is some indication that there was some kind of disaster and radioactivity.
Are the visions of the future in the book why you consider it to be a work of fiction? Because it's otherwise pretty autobiographical, is it not?
Yeah, I was afraid — especially when I was talking about it at the New York Public Library, people were saying some of the historical text should have been footnoted. But I'm taking liberties.
I definitely did all the research, so I had a sense of grounding, but it's not totally accurate. I had a motto when I was working on the book that I was making a big thing small and a small thing big. It's mostly about small, little things.
The domesticity depicted in the book drew me in. There are a lot of people telling jokes or looking for things they can't find or filling the awkward silences of everyday life. Without reading too much into it, is that why the book is so relatable, because it's peppered with familiar everyday paradigms?
Yeah, I made lists and lists of these kinds of things. In the e-book version when some of them get reshuffled, I see things I didn't realize were there, or a theme emerges I hadn't thought about. I definitely think of the whole structure as being musical. I had it all up on my wall in my studio. I was shuffling around the pages constantly trying to get flows of things so they feel right. I wanted crescendos. That's what's exciting about the e-book version, in particular, the way it's shaking me up — to discover something new — every time I see it.