In an appearance Sunday on “60 Minutes,” Sean Penn defended his interview with Mexican drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman. Speaking to Charlie Rose, the actor described the 10,000-word article he wrote for Rolling Stone magazine, which some criticized for being overly sympathetic to the notorious leader of the Sinaloa cartel, as “experiential journalism."
“I don’t have to be the one that reports on the alleged murders or the amount of narcotics that are brought in,” said Penn, a two-time Academy Award winner who in recent years has become as renowned for his activism as his acting. “I go and I spend time in the company of another human being, which everyone is. And I make an observation and try to parallel that, try to balance that with the focus that we — that I believe we — we tend to put too much emphasis on.”
Guzman agreed to a later sit-down interview, but reconsidered once the search for him intensified. Instead, Penn sent a list of largely nonconfrontational questions. The resulting article, released the day after Guzman was recaptured by Mexican marines, ignited a media firestorm.
“My article should not have made this much noise. El Chapo should not have been this popular a figure to read about,” said the star of “Milk” and “Mystic River,” explaining how he’d hoped his story would provoke a conversation about the War on Drugs but had “failed."
Instead, Penn suggested, the conversation focused on his journalistic credentials.
“I’m really sad about the state of journalism in our country ... journalists who want to say that I’m not a journalist. Well, I want to see the license that says that they’re a journalist,” said Penn, who also defended his decision to let Guzman review the article before it was published — a move that most professional journalists would consider an absolute no-no.
“What was brokered for me to have the interview with El Chapo was that I would finish the article, send it to him, and if he said no, then that was no harm, no foul to any reader."
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